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#Hashtags: Rejecting a Binary Argument with Toyin Odutola
Back in early March 2012, I reviewed Mark Bradford’s solo show at SFMOMA and learned shortly thereafter that the oft-repeated narrative about the circumstances of his early work—that he grew up in poverty in a depressed African-American neighborhood of Los Angeles—was simply not true (he was raised in Santa Monica, an affluent suburb). Given that I’ve heard this myth repeated even by knowledgeable curators, I shared my concerns with artist Toyin Odutola and was surprised to learn that even though she is in the early stages of her career, she is already encountering similar circumstances. Creating the narrative around art, framing its situation and contingencies, is always a tricky endeavor, but perhaps more so when the artist is of color and the myth-makers are white. I set out to talk with Odutola in more depth about her own work and process, and the way in which an artist—especially a successful artist of color—may or may not be able to control the story of her own work. In addition to being talented and modest (always a winning combination), Odutola is an articulate and energetic speaker. What follows is part of our conversation from mid-July.

Toyin Odutola, Black Surfaces. Black Grounds. I (Dotun. Abuja, Nigeria.), detail, 2012. Pen ink on black board, 20 x 15 inches
Bean Gilsdorf: Let’s begin with the question that’s usually asked last in interviews: what are you doing next? You’re going to Japan?
Toyin Odutola: Yes. Japan is a graduation present to myself, I really want to be in the place where it all started for me. I come from a comic-book background, from manga. In Japan I’m going to visit museums, get some Japanese papers and pens… Then when I get back, I’m going to a printmaking residency at the Tamarind Institute in August, which is really exciting. And I’m going to have a solo show at my gallery in April next year. Now the pressure’s on, because the first show was a tester and this is the real thing.
BG: Do you think Japan is going to have an influence on your work? Will it change what you’re working on for the show?
TO: I find myself returning to manga a lot lately and just noticing more aesthetic cues. I’m planning to go to cartoon museums in Tokyo, I really just want to be exposed to as much as possible. And I also really want to look at surface. One of the issues I’ve been having—and I think this would help with my show—is finding a really nice paper.
BG: I’m intrigued by the thought of you working at a printmaking residency, because the new pieces, the black-on-black drawings, look at lot like etching plates…
TO: Yeah, those are my way of saying, Toyin, I think it’s time to make some prints, and at Tamarind I can work with master printers who can show me how to do that properly. But the black-on-black pieces are still…tentative, just kind of not there yet. And a lot of that has to do with the ink and the paper, issues that can be resolved in making a print.

Toyin Odutola, Adeola in Abuja (Study), 2012. Acrylic ink and pen ink on black board, 15 x 10 inches
BG: It’s funny, you were working in black and white, then a jump into color for a little while, and then there was a dramatic shift into the black-on-black works.
TO: The reason I moved away from color is that I don’t have any concept of color whatsoever; it’s just lost on me. When I use color it’s not like painting where it’s part of the process, but it’s more like I lay it on, let it dry, and then the pen does all the work. That’s not really a proper way to go about making an artwork. There’s been a lot of interest in the color drawings, but I don’t feel like I have a handle on it. Now that I have time to think about it, I can see there there’s work that needs to be done.
BG: Now that you’re done with the MFA you can step away from it for a while.
TO: Yes, and I am going to go back to it eventually. But for this show, I know I’d like to do something similar to the black-on-black work. I’m taking my camera with me to Japan to take photos of Japanese people and draw them…and of course I’m thinking about what that means.
BG: That’s going to be a big shift, too.
TO: Completely. There have been a lot of write-ups of my work—I’ve been really fortunate—but it’s like black artist, black, black, but really, what is a black portrait? It can be anything. People allocate me to this “African-American Woman Artist” category, which is fine, that’s what I am, whatever—but it doesn’t mean that my subjects are that. So to do something with Japanese people would be fun, to play with the idea of the black portrait. What makes a black portrait? Are they black portraits because I’m black and I’m making these, or because they are the color black? I’m playing with the concept of blackness and what that means.

Toyin Odutola, Black Surfaces. Black Grounds. III (Adeola. Abuja, Nigeria.), 2012. Pen ink on black board, 20 x 15 inches
BG: I love the idea of exploring blackness culturally and conceptually. When the Mark Bradford show was at SFMOMA you and I talked about cultural expectations and the biographical narrative of an artist of color, and of course I’ve been thinking a lot about your work and the narrative that’s becoming linked to your work. I know you’ve questioned some of the interactions you’ve had…



























